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This log has been edited to make it easier to follow and I left the time stamp on it to make it easy to come back to a reference point later.
THE FOLLOWING GUESTS WERE PRESENT WHEN THIS MEETING TOOK PLACE.
<AliceC> <Belle> <ChatRbug> <Chester> <cknights> <Donna> <_Dorian> <Gene> <Gerald^> <gmac> <goodie1shoe> <hondo> <Hurk> <Irish> <Larry> <Linda> <lynx> <Marc> <Mephisto> <phillips> <pmiddleto> <Present^> <Robinator> <Rose> <Sandy> <scar`> <^stormin> <Sun_Wolf> <tex^mom>
Host for the Meeting was Hurk. Robinator was the 'Bouncer/Doorman'. wx, Afternet Op, was on hand to do the one controlled split.
> i will turn the screen over to Dick at this time,,, He will answer the advance questions first then yours
[14:05] <Dick_Eastman> OK, is it time for me?
> ...Welcome Dick!.....
>
[14:06] <gmac> yes
> yes
[14:06] <Dick_Eastman> OK, here is a little bit of an introduction first...
[14:06] <Dick_Eastman> I started "dabbling" in genealogy research in the early-1970s. I made almost all the same mistakes that most newcomers make. I never documented anything (and am still suffering because of that). My record keeping was a mess... I used 3-ring notebooks for recordkeeping but that didn't work very well.
[14:06] <Dick_Eastman> I worked for a mainframe computer manufacturer in those days and had free access to computers in the off-hours back in the days when computer time cost $75.00 per hour. So I decided to use a computer to sort, file and catalog. I can make one statement that very few others can say: My first genealogy "database" was on 80-column punch cards. (Now I will admit it was a rather crude "database" by today's standards...)
[14:06] <Dick_Eastman> About 1980 I started getting serious about researching my own family tree. I also started building my own home computers in the late 1970s. Since I always had a computer available, it was a natural to keep my records in the computer. I moved my "database" to 8-inch floppy diskettes. Originally I used dBASE-2 but later moved my data (by re-typing it manually) to a "real genealogy program" called Family Ties for CP/M.
[14:06] <Dick_Eastman> In 1983 I got my first "store bought" computer (I had always built them prior to that). I bought a PC clone (256 k of memory, monochrome video and 2 floppies) and in 1984 I joined CompuServe and discovered the online world. Everything has been downhill since then. I have had a lot of fun at this.
[14:07] <Dick_Eastman> Please keep in mind that I do not claim to be an expert in genealogy records searches in all parts of the country (or world). I do have a great deal of genealogy research experience in northern New England (mostly Maine) and in eastern Canada (both French and English-speaking ancestors) and would love to chat about those areas.
[14:07] <Dick_Eastman> However, my area of expertise is mostly in the use of computers such as: genealogy software, CD-ROM disks, online sources of information, online newsletters, creating home pages, scanning images, OCR scanning and things like that.....
[14:07] <Dick_Eastman> OK, here is the first advance question:
[14:07] <Dick_Eastman> From: Wrakj1234 <Wrakj1234@aol.com
[14:07] <Dick_Eastman>
Have been researching for the parents of John J.P. Whitehead,
born 1818 in TN. and his older brother was Benjamin T. Whitehead
born in TN.
By 1830 the brothers bought land and paid for it in Calloway
County, Ky. John J.P. Whitehead would have been about 15 years
old and Benjamin T. Whitehead would have been about 18 years old.
John J. P. Whitehead married in 1837 in Calloway County, Kentucky
to a Lucy Ratcliff. He was underage and someone signed for him.
Possibly his mother, but we cannot read the name of the person
that signed for him.
[14:08] <Dick_Eastman> And my answer:
[14:08] <Dick_Eastman> [ I cannot claim any expertise in Tennessee or Kentucky genealogy. It sounds as if you have much more experience there than I do. (ANY experience there would be more than I have...) However, there are some Kentucky genealogy records on CD-ROM. I reviewed "Kentucky Genealogies #1, 1700s-1800s on CD-ROM" in the Dec. 8, 1997 edition of my newsletter, ithat article is available online at: http://www.ancestry.com
[14:08] <Dick_Eastman> OK, here is the nest one......
[14:08] <Dick_Eastman> From: Linden Weisberg
[14:08] <Dick_Eastman> linden@sevenhills.pvt.k12.ca.us
[14:09] <Dick_Eastman> How can I pick up the trail of my greatgrandmother who immigrated from "French Canada" to Massachusetts in 1868 at around age 17. I have the names of her parents, but all census and MA town records give no hint of a town of origin. Was there any sort of immigration or documentary record made of such moves?
[14:09] <Dick_Eastman> And my answer:
[14:09] <Dick_Eastman> [ Aha! A question that I can really "get into." French-Canadian ancestry is some of the EASIEST genealogy to trace. Believe me, I know. My own ancestry is 50% French-Canadian. In 1868 there were no immigration documents required to enter from Canada. But keep in mind that she was Catholic. If she married and/or had children in her new home in Massachusetts, her name along with the name and town of the church in which she wa
[14:09] <Dick_Eastman> <----, I certainly WILL talk about French-Candians later--->
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> Now for the next advance question:
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> From: DDrevas <DDrevas@aol.com
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> Hello Mr. Eastman:
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman>
I am having difficulty in proving the parents of my GG
grandfather. He was born 1815 reportedly in Lincoln co., NC. He
migrated to Perry Co., MO in the 1830s. I have checked for a will
in Perry County, found none, checked the land records there also,
no luck.
I have names for his parents but no documentation. Where else can
I check?
Thank you.
Diana
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> Ddrevas@aol.com
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> And the answer:
[14:10] <Dick_Eastman> [ I must admit that I have no experience in North Carolina records. But look for others in Perry County with the same surname he had. There is a good chance he did not travel alone, he may have gone with a brother or cousin or whatever. Get suspicious of anyone living within a few miles with the same surname. Then see if you can find the origins of THAT person. No guarantees, of course, but sometimes it works. Next, what.. get lucky.
[14:11] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:11] <Dick_Eastman> From: Pamela.Hatch@mail.uintah.k12.ut.us
[14:11] <Dick_Eastman> Dear Mr. Eastman,
[14:11] <Dick_Eastman>
My question concerns my ancestor, Frederick FISCUS, who
emmigrated from the Palatine to America in 1743. There is a
record of the ship he arrived on, and we have found records of
baptisms in Germany. Oddly, the real challenge we face now is
discovering what happened to his family from 1743 until many of
them moved near the Moravian settlement of Bethabara in North
Carolina.
It is almost like they vanished while in Pennsylvania. Apparently,
he might have been a redemptioner and was working off his debt
for his ship's passage. However, he has enough money to buy land
years later in Carolina.
We know that several children were born in Lancaster County, PA
from their death records found in Moravian archives. How do we
learn where they were
before moving to NC? What records could I search from Germantown,
PA
(perhaps written in German)? Is there a possible source to learn
who paid the passage for immigrants? Without a land record, and
without knowing what churches were in Lancaster, I am having
difficulty in my research.
[14:12] <Dick_Eastman> Thank you so much
[14:12] <Dick_Eastman> Sincerely,
[14:12] <Dick_Eastman> Pamela Hatch
[14:12] <Dick_Eastman> And my answer:
[14:12] <Dick_Eastman> [ Wow! It sounds like you have already done everything I could think of. And more. I must admit that I don't know.... (aks me about French-Canadians and northern New Englanders or about computers or technology or whatever...) (In other words, I don't have any experience there)
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> From: RAander533 <RAander533@aol.com
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> I have two gggrandfathers found through 1840 census in MA and GA and feel stuck to find parents of either one. How would you suggest beginning this hunt?
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> Sincerely
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> Ruth Anderson Raander533@aol.com
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> That IS an area where I have experience. My answer:
[14:13] <Dick_Eastman> [Massachusetts shouldn't be too difficult. Which town? Most of the towns in Massachusetts have published vital records up through the year 1850 and the state started collecting all vital records in 1847 (the first state to do so). So records are pretty good, if you know the town. As to Georgia: I don't know.
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> From: "Nita" <nbprince@wf.net
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> Hello,
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> I have a question for you maybe you can help me.
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman>
I have been trying to subscribe to the Eastman Newsletter for the
past week. I haven't been able to do so.
Every time I subscribe and then when it sends back me to confirm
it will not take the comand. It tells me the the confirmation
code could not be extracted from the headers generated by my mail
program.
Is there any way that I may subscribe to this newsletter. I have
been told that this is a really instersting newsletter and that I
would enjoy it very much. I real I really would like to have this
if there is anyway possible. Is there anyway that you can help me?
Thanks so very much for your time.
Please contact me at my e-mail address which
is nbprince@wf.net
Nita Prince
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> And the answer:
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> [ When you get the confirmation message, click on REPLY in whatever e-mail program you are using and then type:
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> OK
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> Nothing else, just those two letters. That has worked for more than 18,000 people using a wide variety of e-mail programs. Or else you can read the newsletters on the Web at: http://www.ancestry.com (although it is a lot more convenient to have the newsletter arrive in your mail box each week.)
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> From: Brian Cowan <bcowan@jetstream.net
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman> Subject: Mr. Eastman
[14:14] <Dick_Eastman>
I do have a question for Mr. Eastman. I am considering hiring a
genealogist in Dublin to search the records for my grandfather.
My last name is rare and I feel this is one way to get the
information without actually going to Ireland. Does Mr. Eastman
think that hiring someone like that is a good idea? The price for
5 hours is around 175US. How else could I get this information
without going to Belfast?
Thankyou for any help,
Sincerely,
Holly Cowan
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> Answer:
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> [ Hiring a pro is probably a LOT cheaper than going there yourself! I would first check out all the records on microfilm that I could find. There might be something obvious. But, if I didn't find anything, I would hire a pro. One warning: ask first for his or her credentials and certifications. There are lots of people out there calling themselves "professional genealogists" but I will only hire people with certifications
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> From: stately@MAIL2.LCIA.COM
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> Subject: Mr. Eastman
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman>
I hope I am sending the correct format for the questions for
sunday:
PROUTY, Frank. born oct 8, 1899 Hubbardston Ma. Raised by Emory
and Nellie Prouty. lived in Palmer Ma. WW1 veteren, decortated in
France.
[14:15] <Dick_Eastman> Question: he was adopted by Emory
sometime from oct 8, 1899 and 1905 census. on that census he is
listed as adopted. how do I find the adoption town, county, or
place? I 'think' his natural parents 'may' have been Frank and
Mary Kenyon of Hubbardston Ma. this is the only male child born (Frank
Kenyon) on that day or 1 month before and after that time. Emory
and Nellie Prouty was married in Leominster Ma. they lived in
Palmer Ma.
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> Question:
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman>
BROWN,Samuel born in England in the early 1800's. All I have on
him is the following from the death notice of his daughter Cora.
Cora E. Clough (Brown) daughter of Samuel Brown (born in England)
married William L. Clough on sept 18, 1886. Place of marriage
unknown. Cora was born in Bristol Ct. marc 26, 1867 or 1877
depends on calender used. how do I find Samuel Brown on a boat
from England,... I checked all the census of Bristol Ct for the
years before and after and he is not there. and I check
surounding areas. where do I go to start to hunt for Samuel? also
where do I do hunt for a marriage to William? there is not
listing in any papers I have for a town . They lived in Monson Ma.
and Palmer Ma.
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> thank you. I hope these questions
are allright.
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> Judy
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> Answer:
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> I know that Palmer Vital records are well documented and published, I am not so sure about Hubbardston. I know that Leomionster records are good as I have exactly ONE ancestor who lived in Leominster. (His grave is unmarked, however. I tried to find it a couple of years ago.) But keep in mind that adoptions in those days were often informal and without court documents like we have now. There may not be any record of adoption a
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> As to your Englishman... that can be tricky.. check the 1850 census (it has been indexed for the whole state) and see if you find him there. But the name Samuel Brown will be quite a challenge, that's a rather common name!
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> Next, a good question that I liked (because I know the answer!):
[14:16] <Dick_Eastman> From: "dede3752" <dede3752@gte.net
[14:17] <Dick_Eastman> Hi,
[14:17] <Dick_Eastman> I would like to know where to go to find records of British sailors in the War of 1812. My gg grandfather came to American then. He married here and moved to Canada. I know he was born in England in 1787, married in 1817 and died in 1865. His name was a common one JAMES COLLINGE. I have had no response that have led anywhere from any of my inquiries and feel discouraged.
[14:17] <Dick_Eastman> Diane dede3752@gte.net
[14:17] <Dick_Eastman> Answer:
[14:17] <Dick_Eastman> [ Look for his records in Canada in whatever town and province he settled in. Also, he probably obtained a pension from the British government, the War Office in London would have that. But you probably have to hire a professional researcher to find that as the records are not easily available to the public and have not been microfilmed by the LDS. I got lucky with one of my ex-wife's ancestors, her British Army ancestor settled in a town in New Brunswick I found copies of pension applications of almost every early settler of that town.
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Next, a question on the EASTMAN family:
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> From: "Karan Kotz" <dollvr@acd.net
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> I am just starting to work on my genealogy. My maternal GGrandmother was Olivia Eastman who married George Hawes. Their son Ellmond Earl Hawes was my grandfather. Do you have any information?
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Thank you,
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Karan Kotz
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> But the answer is....
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> [ What state? What years? More than 10,000 EASTMANs were documented prior to 1900. (My EASTMANs have lived in Maine since about 1810 or so.) The best book on the family is the one written by Guy S. Rix in 1901 but unfortunately it has many errors and omissions. <sigh>
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Subject: Question to Dick Eastman
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> I'm looking for Quaker records for the Northeastern states of RI, CT, and MA from the dates of 1768 to 1810. Any suggestions?
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Thanks
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Tex
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> Answer:
[14:18] <Dick_Eastman> [[ I have been told that Quaker records are well documented although they have not all been transcribed. The Boston Quakers were a large group and kept detailed records, I am not familiar with Rhode Island or Conn., however. Contact the New England Historic Genealogical Society in Boston. They would know...
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Question:
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> From Myrna Goddard
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Can Mr. Eastman give me some hints on how to go about reasearching Chippawa Indians. Tom was born in 1810 to Morning Star and John Montgomery. I would like to find out more about Morning Star. I was told she was Chippawa. Someone told me all the Indian records are in Oklahoma. If so where in Oklahoma?
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Thanks
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Myrna Goddard mgoddard@juno.doc or Myrna.j.Goddard@boeing.com
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Answer:
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> I don't have any experience with Chippewa Indians (or any otehr Indians for that matter) but I guarantee that all the Indian records are NOT in Oklahoma. For instance, the U.S. National Archives has hundreds of thousands of original Indian records from Oklahoma and other states stored in the regional archives in Fort Worth, Texas. They are being indexed now but that will take years to complete.
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Question:
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> From Hope O. Creasman
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Would you please ask Mr. Eastman, how can find my David Griffith who in a statement of citizenship says that he was a native of Nova Scotia? I have contacted several sources and none have helped.He was born about 1783. Also, how does one obtain information about an ancestor who served as a Frenchman in the American Revolution? Are military records available and how do you get them? He states he was from Picardy, France.
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Thank you,
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> Hope O. Creasman
[14:19] <Dick_Eastman> What year for the Nova Scotian? After 1831 anyone from Nova Scotia is easy to find in the Canadian census. Prior to 1831 it can be difficult. If you know the town you stand a better chance. As to the Frenchman, have you checked Revolutionary War pension records? If he settled in the U.S. and if he lived into the 1830s when they started pensions, chances are you will find him there.
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> Next question:
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> From Hocksters
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> I would like to know if Dick Eastman has heard anything more about Corel Family Tree Suite. I have it and I don't know what to do with it. Should I pitch it or is there an upgrade coming from IMSI? I will not be online for this, will answers be posted somewhere?
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> Gale Hock
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> Michigan
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> Answer: I received the new replacement program from IMSI yesterday, I haven't opened the box yet. I expect to write about it in my newsletter in 2 or 3 weeks. But it is my understanding that it is not a major change. Lots of little things improved, but no major changes.
[14:20] <Dick_Eastman> And the final question (pausing for applause):
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman> From: Gerald McInrue <gmcinrue@alumni.Lakeheadu.ca>
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman> Subject: Questions for Mr. Eastman
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman>
It would appear that without specific information on an
individual as to age, head of household or occupation that
records for the period 1800 to 1830 it is almost impossible to do
research that will be successful.
Short of going to Ireland it would appear to me that the best bet
if you really want to find data on someone it is best to arrange
for a professional researcher and hope for the best. Is my
assessment correct? and what would you suggest?
The above is specific to a catholic male born in 1801 and who
moves to Canada prior to 1831.
I am also searching for information on a male named Charles
Warren Johnston born 27 March 1751, Antrim Ireland. I feel that
this person would not be catholic but I do not know what religion
he might be. In order to short circuit the search what would you
suggest as the best bet to learn about this male Scots-Irish
person who later moved to Connecticut married and moved to New
Brunswick before 1779?
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman> Jerry McInrue gmcinrue@alumnmi.lakehe
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman> The answer:
[14:21] <Dick_Eastman>
[ If he is Catholic, look in the church records for the local
church where he settled in Canada. You will be surprised what you
find there. Normally you will find the names of parents and the
church (in Ireland) where they were married. Why do you think he
might not be Catholic? Probably 95% of the Irish who emigrated
were Catholic. They were the more impoverished families and more
apt to leave Ireland. The Protestants were the minority to begin
with and then they generally had a higher standard of living in
Ireland. They tended to stay. But if he was not Catholic then he
probably was Presbyterian.
Next, someone who moved to New Brunswick prior to 1779 was
probably a Loyalist. He probably petitioned the British
Government for damages in the late 1780s. In his petition he had
to give a lot of information about himself and his family, those
records can be genealogical gems. If he did petition, the Public
Archives of Nova Scotia would have those records. And yes, I said
"Nova Scotia." Remember that New Brunswick did not
become ******* of Nova Scotia in Halifax. Mostly not microfilmed,
I'm afraid. But they have an excellent card catalog system if you
visit in person.
[14:22] <Dick_Eastman> <end of prepared questions and answers>
[14:22] <Dick_Eastman> Next?
[14:22] <steve_hurkett> APPLAUSE!
[14:22] * Rob_McLean salutes Dick_Eastman for a job well done!
[14:23] <steve_hurkett>
Good Job, Dick
> Thank you, Dick! * tex^mom...... " Yea ! ! ! "
[14:23] <Trevor2>
that was excellent!
> Starting with AliceC we will get to as many as possible
[14:23] <pmiddleto> Thanks Dick!
[14:24] <AliceC> I'm just listening.
> Ok Belle, do you have a question for Dick?
[14:24] <Belle> not at the moment
> Chester? do you have a question for Dick?
[14:24] <Chester> no, thanks
> Donna?
[14:25] <Dick_Eastman> Gee, I scared them!
[14:25] <Donna> not now
> Gene?
[14:25] * wx giggles *giggle*
> Gerald?
[14:26] <Gerald_Affeldt> Since you are experienced n French-Canadian research, where would be a good starting place to track down a line the moved to Cahokia Illinois late 1700's?
[14:27] <Dick_Eastman> Gerald: With French-Canadians you ALWAYS go to church records. Two things to remember 99% of these people were devout Catholics and... the French Catholic churches kept excellent records of christenings and marriages, usually giving names AND PLACES OF MARRIAGE of the parents.
[14:26] <gmac> Found the Name EATON on the Mayflower did all Eaton's in New England comme from that migrant or did others follow? and the name Lewis shows up on a ship ion 1634 did others named Lewis folow?
[14:27] <gmac> sorry i hit wrong key
[14:29] <Dick_Eastman> gmac: I believe there were several EATON immigrants, I have Savage's Genealogical Dictionary here (inprint and in CD-ROM) but don't have a chance to look it up right now. Also... I will add one comment: Most "family stories " of "our family came over on the Mayflower) turn out to be false. although you may have OTHER Mayflower families.
[14:26] <Belle> can I butt in now
[14:27] <Belle> How can you locate the complete name of a WWII sailor when all you have in a nickname a last name and where he was stationed at a certain time
[14:28] <Gene> If we miss our slot do we wait for another round?
> Gene,,, ask your question
[14:28] <Gene> Dick - any clues about hunting for a wife that has disappeared? I have 3 generations coming over to NYC from Paris in 1876 (my GGGF Julius VOGT and his wife Eugenie PICARD, their son Paul Albert VOGT and his wife Isabelle DUPUIS, and their infant son - my GF - Lucian Eugene VOGT). Patrarch Julius died in NYC in 1880. Son Paul took his family to Everett MA around the same time or a little later. Eugenie has disappeared. She appears no more
[14:30] <Dick_Eastman> Gene: Although they were from France, not Canada: I will give the same answer: Catholic church records. Probably better than census records or town clerks records. Also, remember that Massachusetts has kept vital records since 1847 and they are excellent.
[14:31] <Gene> Been there - done that - she's nowhere to be found in MA
[14:31] <Dick_Eastman> All births, marriages and deaths since 1847 are recorded by the state and stored at state archives... at Columbia Point, Boston.
[14:31] <Gene> I will chase the church records harder
> Goodie? a question?
[14:30] <goodie1shoe> no thanks
[14:29] <AliceC> Well, if you're good in Canada, I'm looking for Arthur Kavanaugh Deagon, b. Seaforth, Ont.before 1900
[14:32] <Dick_Eastman> AliceC: I must admit my Canadian research experience is limited to Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and PEI. But Canadian census records are excellent.
[14:32] <AliceC> Thanks, I'll keep digging.
> May i interject something here please?
> Irish?>
[14:30] <Irish> I am trying to find a lost town in TX - any suggestions?
[14:26] <Dick_Eastman> My area of expetise isn't in Texas. (is that south of Boston?) <smile> But I love... to talk about technology and computers and publishing electronically and things like that.
[14:30] <Irish> My grandfather claims to have been born in Bigo TX in 1900 - can't find it anywhere!
[14:32] <Irish> Any ideas where I can look?
[14:33] <Dick_Eastman> I will defer on the questions about Texas. There are others with a lot more experience there than I have. (I lived there once, does that count?)
[14:33] <Irish> Do you have suggestions on who I could contact regarding this?
> some of these questions happen to be in areas that i know some of the regulars to this channel can help with
> If you would like to stay later we can sort SOME of them out
[14:34] <Irish> Great!
[14:34] <Dick_Eastman> Good point: I would love to handle questions about software/CD-ROM/ scanning/on-line resources/etc. I may be able to help with northern New England and eastern Canada research but I won't claim expertise anywhere else.
> Linda?
[14:34] <Linda> i have a question about software that maybe someone can help me with.... someone asked me if I knew of a program that could do a genogram, which i guess is an ancestors chart (?) that uses circles for the females and boxes for the males
[14:34] <Dick_Eastman> Genograms are not normally available in...
[14:34] <Dick_Eastman> genealogy programs. I have never seen one that... does that. However, there are some specialty programs for.... biologists and researchers that will do that. I don't have a reference off hand but I have seen. such print-outs from a friend of mine who was in nursing school and usingsuch a program. But I have never seen that in a genealogy program.
> ok Belle shoot
[14:36] <Belle> How can you locate the complete name of a WWII sailor when all you have in a nickname a last name and where he was stationed at a certain time
[14:37] <Dick_Eastman> Belle: That is realtough. Real tough. The U.S. government won't tell you because the Federal "right to privacy" laws mean that you cannot access those records for 72 years.
[14:37] <Belle> by the way his hometown was near boston
[14:37] <steve_hurkett> what town?
[14:38] <Belle> Near Boston possible lynn
[14:38] <Dick_Eastman> Belle: You might get lucky by contacting a veteran's group if they hold reunions. Also, if it is a rare last name you might find the family in the Boston area.
[14:38] <Belle> real rare, Dailey
[14:38] <Dick_Eastman> Ouch
[14:39] <Dick_Eastman> I suspect that is much too common a name
> Phillips?
> do you have a question?
[14:39] <phillips> Dick Do you know much about online subscription to Ancestry.com Do you find these helpful?
[14:40] <Dick_Eastman> Phillips: Well I think that the online area on Ancestry is one of the best things available to genealogists today. Now keep in mind thatI am a bit biased as they also carry my newsletter. But electronic publishing is... the wave of the future and much, much cheaper than buying the same info in books or on... CD-ROM disks. My opinion is that the Ancestry Web site (or other major Web sites that have lots of scanned books) are the most cost-effective way to go.
[14:41] <Dick_Eastman> Phillips: try to add up the costs of purchasing those same books/databases on CD-ROM or on paper. It will be one-hundred times more money.
[14:43] <Dick_Eastman> I started the weekly newsletter a little more than two years ago as a service on Compuserve's genealogy forums. The first people to read it were a few thousand CompuServe members. Then a couple of non-members asked about it and asked if I could send it to them by e-mail. So I did. Then I added a few more... and a few more.. and the thing just snowballed. Now it gets sent by e-mail to more than 18,000 people every week and that
> pam?
[14:42] <pmiddleto> Yes TexMom
> question for Dick?
[14:43] <pmiddleto> no, just enjoying the exchange :) I'm a Dick Eastman fan & read his newsletter, each & eveyone since day one!!!
[14:43] <Dick_Eastman> Thanks! <blush>
* tex^mom chuckles
[14:43] <pmiddleto> see I told you I always make Dick blush, heeehee
[14:44] <Steve_Hurkett> Pam - are you his wife?
[14:44] <Steve_Hurkett> lol
[14:44] <Dick_Eastman> Hmmmmm
* tex^Margaret ...:)))))))))
[14:45] <pmiddleto> heehee
> Present?
[14:43] <Present^> well I do not sure though he will be able to answer the question, have another one on compression of scaned images what is the best method of compression for images?
[14:44] <Dick_Eastman> OK, there's lots of debate on that one... GIF has been the best for a long time but.... now lots of others are coming along. JPG theoretically is bettrer but... When heavily compressed you can see degradation in the picture. People say "Oh, it's not noticeable" but I guarantee... that it is. The one I like is the new PNG standard (pronounced "ping") but... very little software is available for it today.
[14:46] <Dick_Eastman> OK?
[14:46] <Present^> hmmm
[14:46] <AliceC> Well what is that little bit of software
[14:47] <Dick_Eastman> A few shareware image editors will either manipulae PNG or convert it to another format. Not many commercial programs can handle it.
> scar?
[14:46] <scar`> no thanks
> Do you have a question, Sun_Wolf ?
[14:47] <Sun_Wolf> listening, I'm new at this.. I have lots to learn
> Do you have a question, Trevor ?
[14:47] <Trevor> Hello Dick. You may recall that we met briefly last month at the Society of Genealogists in London (I was demonstrating UFT)
[14:47] <Trevor> Sorry if this has already been covered - I missed the beginning because of lag. Which came first for you Dick, family history or computers?
[14:48] <Dick_Eastman> Trevor: Well, computers I guess. I started in computers in the late 1960s as an occupation, started... building home computers in the late 1970s.... started dabbling in genealogy in mid-1970s but.... didn't get "serious" about genealogy until around 1983 or 1984 or so.
[14:49] <Dick_Eastman> Trevor: Hey, that's YOU! (didn't recognize you)
[14:49] <Present^> hehehe
* tex^mom just smiles :)
[14:49] <Trevor> thanks :)
[14:49] <Dick_Eastman> To everyone else: Trevor is one of the people who made my recent trip to England so much fun.
[14:49] <Sandy> :)
> Mine TOO! Dick!
> Do you have a question, Marc ?
[14:49] <Marc> No, just listening ;-)
> Do you have a question, Larry ?
[14:50] <Larry> Naw..Just listening
[14:50] <Belle> I need to buy a new printer that will print my scanned photos well. What's the best for someone that's not a pro or rich?
[14:50] <Dick_Eastman> OK, I am a bit biased here towards Hewlett-Packard (I am not associated with the company, however.) Make sure it says "photo printer" and not... just color printer. I can show you a color printer here on my desk that makes lousy photos.
[14:51] <Belle> me too
[14:51] <Dick_Eastman> For $500 or so you can buy a true photo printer but it only prints... photos )on glossy photo stock, not standard paper). Real nice stuff.
[14:51] <Belle> I have HP and was looking at their printer about $300
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> Rose, do you have a question for Dick?
[14:53] <Rose> no basicly came to listen today i might come up with one later
[14:53] <Dick_Eastman> OK, let me ask a question: How many people here subscribe to my newsletter?
[14:53] <Chester> aye
[14:53] <Steve_Hurkett> me
[14:53] <Gene> me
[14:53] <Trevor> i do
[14:53] * Rob_McLean hides his head in shame
[14:53] <Irish> I do!
[14:53] <Steve_Hurkett> Shame - Rob
[14:53] <Belle> not yet
[14:53] <Sandy> i dont remember...geesh
[14:53] <Steve_Hurkett> I have no questions, but I do want to thank Dick so much for taking time out of his busy schedule to be with us today.
[14:54] * Rose hides in shame too
[14:54] <Dick_Eastman> OK, Rob, you are excused. <smile> To everyone else: What would you like to see changed or modified?
* tex^mom reads the archived ones!
[14:54] <Steve_Hurkett> Dick, I for one feel you are doing a superlative job in the newsletter
[14:55] <Trevor> No need to change or modify anything, it's wonderful as it is!
[14:54] * Rob_McLean runs of to subscribe right now. Honest
[14:54] <Chester> how do you select the new genealogy sites? Are they contributed by readers?
[14:55] <Dick_Eastman> Chester: Those listed at the end of the newsletter are all contributed by readers on a script built into my Web site. Sometimes I write longer articles about a Web site that I think is particularly noteworthy.
[14:55] <Chester> I was wondering if they could possibly be categorized somehow?
[14:57] <Dick_Eastman> Chester: I am sure they can be sorted/characterized some how. But if I am going to do it then it had better be fast and easy! Now if someone else volunteers...
[14:57] <Chester> Perhaps require people to categorize them when they submit them - by geocgraphy, etc.?
[14:53] <Present^> dick: what is the best compression for images to use when one is placing them on a webpage?
[14:54] <Dick_Eastman> For Webpages: I use GIF. It isn't the most compressed, but it looks better. If it was a really huge image such as a photo, I might go with JPEG
[14:55] <Present^> ok thanks as I have several photos online and have started using jpg
[14:55] <Mephisto1> I have a question for Dick I assume you know that the Scottish Records Office are putting their records online do you know if there are any other similiar databases being put on line anywhere else
[14:56] <Dick_Eastman> I know about the Scottish records (April 2, I think, is the date.) There isn't much else: Kentucky death records and Maine (yeah!) marriage records.
[14:56] <Linda> Maine marriage records are online or going online? URL?
[14:57] <Linda> I have most the names i am looking for in MA, NH and VT, not many in Maine
[14:57] <Dick_Eastman> OK, I don't have the Maine URL handy. It is the Maine state archives, search on AltaVista and I am sure you will find them. It is an on-going project... not finished yet although perhaps one-third of the 1892 to 1966 marriage records are now online. (I was married there...
[14:59] <Dick_Eastman> in 1967 so I won't be listed, my older brother and suster are, however.
[14:57] <Steve_Hurkett> I have to (sneak) on out of here
[14:57] <Steve_Hurkett> Thanks everyone for coming today
[14:57] <Steve_Hurkett> and especially you, Dick
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[14:59] <Steve_Hurkett> That was preety KEWL!
[14:59] <Dick_Eastman> Hmmm, any survivors?
[14:59] <Gene> I survived
[15:00] <scar`> me too!
[15:00] <Belle> right here
[15:00] <Sandy> i'm still here :)
[15:00] <Mephisto1> I seem to be alive as well
[15:00] <Gene> My head hurts, though.........
[15:00] <gmac> I still here
[15:00] <Gene> (must be the beer)
[15:00] <gmac> you too
[15:00] <Irish> Still with you :)
[15:00] * Rob_McLean dcc's everyone one of his own, Rob's Indian Pale Ale
> Has anyone NOT asked a question who would LIKE too
[15:01] <Sandy> lol gene
[15:01] <scar`> lol
[15:01] <Dick_Eastman> Easy crowd. <smile>
[15:01] <Gene> I would like to hear if Dick has gotten a chance to try the new Sierra program yet
[15:02] <Dick_Eastman> Gene: Not yet but it is sitting here beside me at the moment. Will probably write about itin my newsletter in teh next week or two.
[15:03] <Gene> Is my family tree on the box, Dick?
[15:05] <Dick_Eastman> Gene: Don't recognize it. <smile> Big picture of a big family on the front of the box.
[15:05] <Gene> Mine has a clip-art tree in the background and a "My Family Tree" label at the bottom
[15:05] <Gene> They asked if they could use it, but didn't say where......
> any other question for Dick specifically?
[15:03] <Gerald_Affeldt> Yeah, Dick, your French-Canadian from Quebec? Trombley/Tremble
[15:03] <Dick_Eastman> Gerald: About 75% from Quebec and 25% Acadian. My mother was from... northern Maine which is a real melting pot of Quebecois and Acadians.
> who had the question about Bigo, Tx,,, do you know what PART of Texas? This is a BIGO place!
> i THINK you hve been had by an ancestor actually !
> lol
[15:05] <Present^> ok Dick: my 2nd great grandmothers Death Certificate states she was 87 and born 1844 and died 1921 -- which can't be correct-- her father Jesse Kirksey and mother Cynthia Kirk -- Jesse was married first to a Margaret (unknown) who died 1834 he turns around and marries Cynthia 1835 -- census gives Emelines birth btw 1832 to 1840 whom am I to assume could be Emelines mother :)
[15:05] <Dick_Eastman> Present: Somebody was a bit poor at math, eh? But death certificates often have inaccuracies. The info is usually given by family members in a time of grief, often younger members who were not there at the original date of the event. My own mother's death certificate lists the wrong place of birth. My sister and dad supplied that info. I knew she was raised in that town but actually born about 30 miles away but I was 12000 miles away when the death certificate was being made out so..... I wasnt able to contribute. Unfortunately, such errors are common.
[15:07] <Present^> dick: I know the date of birth is incorrect but the question is, is Margaret the mother or is Cynthia
[15:08] <Present^> the dates are so close that it is hard to say which is the mother even though Cynthia is listed on the death certificate :)
[15:08] <Gene> CapsLockItis
[15:08] <Dick_Eastman> Present: I must admit that I don't know... would have to check a few other records.
[15:08] <scar`> lol
[15:09] <Gene> CapsLockJaw?
[15:09] <Sandy> hehehe gene
[15:09] <Present^> Dick: that is another problem her parents rarely and I mean none almost show up on any records
[15:10] <Dick_Eastman> Present: Ah, such are the challenges of genealogy research! <smile> I just got a breeakthrough a few weeks ago in...
[15:07] <Belle> can anyone with a CDROM save their scanned photos to a CD
[15:08] <Dick_Eastman> bELLE: tHE BEST (?) WAY AND CHEAPEST WAY IS TO SEND THE PHOTOS OUT TO A SERVICE THAT DOES THAT. mOST kODAK PHOTOFINISHING SERVIES WILL DO THAT FOR A MODEST CHARGE.
[15:08] <Dick_Eastman> OOOPS, time to turn the CAPS LOCK off.
[15:09] <Gene> Call a CapsLockSmith!
* tex^mom chuckles
[15:09] * scar` laughs
[15:10] <Trevor> lol
[15:10] <gmac> leaving must go
[15:10] <Present^> hehe Dick they are truly head aches :)
[15:10] <Dick_Eastman> a family I was at a dead end at for years. Found a man with same last name who died in this small town, apparently unrelated. Started researching HIM and eventually found out he WAS related. If...
> for the information of those who have NOT visited this channel before,,, two of our ops are IN Canada and very knowledge in their areas of research
[15:11] <Present^> hmmmmm Dick that is great
[15:11] <Dick_Eastman> I hadn't researched him, I wouldn't have eventually broken through and taken the family back another 200 years. Need to look ALL AROUND at everything.
[15:11] <Present^> hehe slowly but surely doing that Dick
[15:12] <Dick_Eastman> It turns out that teh old man was the father of the person in question, apaprently moved to that town as an old man after death of hiswife to live with children, then died there. But didn't know that until I had been researching him for a LONG time!
[15:13] < Present^> Dick: have u ever come across the surname GREENING
[15:13] <Dick_Eastman> I haven't researched GREENING, I am afraid.
[15:13] < Present^> Dick: the problem is that the surname Kirksey does not show up that often in any records
[15:14] <Dick_Eastman> Present^: Yeah, but hwen it does it bet it is one of yours! <smile>
[15:14] < Present^> lol Dick
[15:14] < Present^> that is true
[15:14] < Present^> they are in NC and in AL and in TN
[15:16< Present^> Dick: two weeks ago had a break through on the Kirksey line in that I found the marriage and location of where Jesse Kirksey was located and also found his father Gideon Kirksey
> Do you have a question, Rob_McLean ?
[15:17] <Rob_McLean> Sorry, no questions at this time
[15:14] <Trevor> I have a question. Why is the traditional European type of drop-line tree not popular in the US/Canada?
[15:15] <Dick_Eastman> Trevor: Good question and I do not have an answer.
[15:15] <Mephisto1> What is a dropline tree
[15:16] <Trevor> Mephisto, an ancestors or descendants tree which goes from bottom to top, or top to bottom, instead of side to side
[15:16] <Mephisto1> ok
[15:16] <Dick_Eastman> Such as "all the descendants of this one couple."
[15:17] <Dick_Eastman> Trevor: Goes over real well at the family reunion!
[15:17] <Trevor> I know :)
[15:18] < Present^> hmmmm Trevor do you know of a program that will do a tree like that
[15:18] < Present^> I would be interested in it
[15:18] <Dick_Eastman> Family Tree Maker will do that as will Brothers Keeper.
[15:19] < Present^> hmmmm ok need to check Brothers Keeper
[15:19] < Present^> I have Family Origins right now
[15:18] <Mephisto1> I would be curious to know what sources Dick has used for his Canadian research online
[15:19] <Dick_Eastman> Mephisto: French-Canadians? Almost nothing online. There is a "GEDCOM Database" available on the Web but it has so many errors that it is a waste of time. The new Parchemin database on CD-ROM is fantastic, however.
[15:20] <Mephisto1> Have you had much experience dealing with the National Archives of Canada or have you dealt through provincial archives
[15:20] <Irish> Do you know of anything in BC CAN?
[15:21] <Mephisto1> BC has a searchable death index online
[15:21] <Dick_Eastman>
My Canadians are almost all French (have a few others) so I have
mostly used the services of the American-Canadian Genealogical
Society in Manchester, New Hampshire. A great resource. Keep in
mind that... with French-Canadians you ALWAYS start with church
records!
Go to provincial archives only if everything else fails.
[15:21] <Belle> What is the best place on line to search for passenger arrivals to the US?
[15:23] <Dick_Eastman> Belle, there are no such databases online, I am afraid.
[15:21] <Donna> It's been nice, but I have to go now, thanks for talking with us, Dick
[15:21] * Rob_McLean flails his arms about trying to get Dick_Eastman's attention
> Do you have a question, Rob_McLean ?
[15:23] < Present^> hmmm me thinks tht Rob has a question <VBG>
[15:23] <Rob_McLean> Do you have any Labelle's?
[15:23] * Rob_McLean is researching McLean & Forbes (Scotland -> N.W. Ontario), Foster (Ireland -> Manitoba -> Ontario & Minnesota), & Labelle (France -> Canada & USA)
[15:24] <Dick_Eastman> Labelles? Yes, in northern Maine in 1820s through 1850s or so. Is that a match?
[15:24] <Rob_McLean> They are all over
[15:24] <Dick_Eastman> Prolific family, many anglicied their names in U.S. to Bell.
[15:24] <cknights> Are you aware of a "best" publication for Knights family in the New York City area
[15:25] <Dick_Eastman> I must admit that I haven't researched KNIGHT
[15:26] < Present^> cknight: there is a mail list for the surname Knight
[15:26] <cknights> Found it last week, we're specificallYy KNIGHTS, but I'm sure it will turn into KNIGHT eventually
[15:27] < Present^> knights I sam sure they are interchangable
[15:27] < Present^> that is like my Park/e/s line
[15:27] <cknights> mee too
[15:28] <Dick_Eastman> Well folks, it is getting close to the time where I think I should sign off.
[15:28] * pmiddleto says visit my Homepage "Best Genealogy Links on The WWW at http://home.earthlink.net/~middleton/topten.html" or Submit your Queries/Surnames to my other Homepage "Genealogy is My Hobby" at http://home.earthlink.net/~middleton/
[15:28] < Present^> bye and thanks dick
[15:28] <cknights> Thanks Dick
[15:28] <pmiddleto> bye Present :)_
[15:28] <scar`> thanks Dick!!!
[15:29] * Rob_McLean salutes Dick_Eastman for a job well done!
[15:29] * Rob_McLean thanks Dick_Eastman profusely
[15:29] <Gene> See ya around, Dick. I can't wave out my window now that you're not in Billerica!!
[15:29] <Dick_Eastman> Gene: All the way up here in Nashua. <smile>
[15:29] <Belle> It's been great thanks
[15:29] < Present^> pam: me not going yet
> Dick, Thank you SOO VERY much for being with us!
[15:29] <Dick_Eastman> Am pulling down e-mail now. Anything I can help with, send e-mail to me at: roots@compuserve.com
> and Please do come again and often!
[15:29] <cknights> GOODKNIGHT Dick
[15:29] <Dick_Eastman> Bye
[15:29] <scar`> bye
[15:29] <scar`> :)
* tex^mom ...... " Yea ! ! ! "
[15:30] * Robinator waves bye to Dick_Eastman
> ¨°º¤¡¤º°º©{{beSeeinYa}}©º°º¤¡¤º°¨
[15:30] <Irish> John Nelson WHITNEY - 1841 Prescott, Ontario CAN
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[15:30] * Robinator must finish off cooking supper
[15:30] <Robinator> TTYL
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> who had the question about Bigo, Texas?
[15:30] <Gene> They're dropping like flies........
[15:31] <Irish> I did!
[15:31] <scar`> well folks i gotta run too!
[15:31] * Ter-n-Ger are researching Beckner, O'Conner, Perry, Rhodes, and Wheeler in Botetourt County, Virginia.
[15:31] <scar`> thanks
[15:31] <Gene> Ich gehe auch........
> i THINK you may have been HAD by an ancestor.... this IS a BIGO state,,,, what Part of this BIGO texas was that supposed to be in, do you know?
[15:32] <Gene> Tschüß!
[15:33] <Belle> enjoyed it bye for now
[15:33] <Irish> I have records from the WA Department of Corrections that state his birth place is Bigo, TX in 1900.
[15:33] < Present^> bye belle
[15:33] <ChatRbug> Bye Belle
* tex^mom says Please, come back soon, Belle !!